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I know alot of ya have no clue there are other sites out there about BMX, but one of the best is VintageBMX, and they are in tune with stuff the average street kid knows nothing about. This is a huge one. As of right now, new laws have been made that affect every part of the BMX industry. These laws deal with lead in products for kids, or toys. As of right now, all bicycles with a wheel diameter of 24 inches and under are considered "toys". This is a quote from Ryan Birk, formerly of Sun Rims, now with Alienation, who just lost his Kuwahara job since they closed up due to these new laws>

What scares me is how little some of the companies that will be most affected by these new requirements actually know about what is going to happen and how unconcerned some seem to be. We've had lawyers on both sides of the pond looking into this for us for a couple months trying to find loopholes and determine exactly what is required of us as BMX companies. We've probably spent enough on lawyers to at least have covered the required testing on at least a couple models of bikes for at least 1 shipment.

Here's the jist of what is going on now for BMX "toy" companies.

As of Nov. 12, nothing shipped after that date can come into the US without proper 3rd party testing for lead, lead content, and phalates and the certified documnents needed to get through customs at port. This includes complete bikes, frames, and all parts with intended us for any bike 24" and under. The fees for testing are expensive unless you're testing a large volume of parts or bikes and can ammortorize those costs across the board. If you offer a part or bike in different color options, each color must legally be tested. Of course all companies can decide if they want to comply and pay for the testing but it will ultimately begin to affect costs and pricing of products unless the company is making a ton of parts that are getting sold, or the company has a really large petty cash stash. It's been my experience that most BMX companies operate on a pretty defined and tight budget to insure longevity and growth. And the kicker is that you have to conduct testing each time you import product from now on, regardless if it's the exact same product you imported 2 months earlier.

You have until Feb. 9th to sell all your untested products to the consumer (enduser), not just to the bike shops, or on Feb. 10th it becomes illegal for shops or distributors to sell these products without the proper certificate. The fines for this and for trying to import goods into the US without the certificates is in the hundred of thousands.

Companies that haven't tested and received the proper certificates legally have to take any untested product back and refund monies to the dealers or distributors as it is illegal for them to be sold after Feb. 9. This is why Feb 10 is being called National Bankruptcy Day because they have to take back ALL untested product from retailers and distributors and supply refunds even if that product is 10 years old. If the retailer (although highly unlikely Joe's Local Bike Shop would get caught) is caught trying to sell untested goods, the shop will be fined by the CPSC (fines in the hundred of thousands. Which obviously the shop will then turn around and sue the manufacturer for failure to test and likely the company is already been fined as well. You can see how it can get ugly real fast if you don't have the proper test certificates. And the rumors I hear about companies ready to rat out others on Feb 10 is really unsettling

What we're likely to see as BMXer's is that the big companies can probably offset the large testing expenses as their volume is large enough to ammortorize. We'll likely see some price increases from them but they'll still be around. It will hit the small bike and part companies the hardest as the test fees are extensive and companies will have to decide for themselves if they can afford to pay and continue to stay in business. Where the money for this testing comes from and if it's effect on pricing will likely push some of those companies out of the market. With Kuwahara, based on our current growth rate in terms of volume, and projected sales for 09, we were looking at 125% price increases. With the economy and all things considered, $1800 to $2000 complete bikes probably aren't going to sell to well. That was our sad reality and our situation will force us to become a frame only distributor for 09.

I hope the other companies in the BMX world don't have to suffer the same fate as Kuwahara and it will be each companies decision if they choose to comply with the new test laws forced on us as "toy" manufactures.

Hope this rambling simplified the "legal mumbo jumbo" that I've been forced to try to learn these past couple of months. Oh, and the same testing will soon be required for bikes and bike parts made in the US as well.

Birk

Kids, this is huge. Alot of small companies, such as FBM, S&M, Sunday, etc. will be affected by this. Lots of companies will fold.

By the way, President-Elect Obama has made these laws a top priority. He is for them.
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i can understand why people would want testing done for lead poisoning. I'm glad people are taking more concrete legislative action against lead poisoning from products coming from overseas, more specifically..asia.

sucks that the government wouldnt help companies that will fold because of the testing to offset the costs.
petition state legislators i guess.
I would also like to be assured that my bike doesnt have lead in it, even my bikes that are over 24 inches.
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I now fucking hate Obama the fucking scummy shit sniffler!

Why the hell cant the big companies like haro etc hire lawyers and whatnot to get bmx companies (and any other sports in similair situations like trial bikes) exempt to this law as they are not toys but for a real sport. Im all for not having kids sucking toy cars and getting led poisoning but this is fucking silly!

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bmx will live forever\


if this happens i will cry

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I now fucking hate Obama the fucking scummy shit sniffler!
lol
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someone will find a loophole, if not a lot of frames will be on sale.
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I now fucking hate Obama the fucking scummy shit sniffler!

Why the hell cant the big companies like haro etc hire lawyers and whatnot to get bmx companies (and any other sports in similair situations like trial bikes) exempt to this law as they are not toys but for a real sport. Im all for not having kids sucking toy cars and getting led poisoning but this is fucking silly!
it does suck,but i wouldnt go saying its a bad idea. it just blows that theyre basically saying "hey,either have it checked and lose money,or dont and lose money." either way it screws a whole lot up. so if frames cost like 350 now,what does that mean theyll most likely end up costing after this??

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um, this is concerning bikes being imported from china. it makes sense with all the lead being found in toys and the contaminated milk thing. i don't know if it affects the bikes being imported from taiwan or not. american made companies are not going to be affected.

edit: i guess it's on imported bikes in general. so still, american companies are fine.

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Im from the uk so this wont affect me personaly but will still be dam shit for the rest of the bmx industry..

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um, this is concerning bikes being imported from china. it makes sense with all the lead being found in toys and the contaminated milk thing. i don't know if it affects the bikes being imported from taiwan or not. american made companies are not going to be affected.

edit: i guess it's on imported bikes in general. so still, american companies are fine.
but does it include the actual factories that make the frames for the american companies?
because if it does then almost ALL american companies will be affected.

but i agree with you, this legislation makes sense in the sense that asian companies have a reputation of dishonorable practices regarding materials in their products.
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that is fucking mental, im from england and over here its becoming more and more obvious that this obama guy is a fucking cunt, seriously, its pathetic!

all i can say is, good luck to all the companys really and somebody better run for president!

i need a display picture, end of!

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LOL @ the idea of Obama being a bad president because he is doing something to protect little kids from getting lead poisoning.

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Couldnt companies put a label on the boxes saying that the products are not designed for children 16 and under, or something to that effect?

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Couldnt companies put a label on the boxes saying that the products are not designed for children 16 and under, or something to that effect?
prob because they ARE designed for kids 16 and under as well as 16 and older
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This will be a pain for any parts/frames manufactured in Taiwan which I suppose these days is the majority rather than the minority that it used to be.

I really hope that they find some kind of loophole to counter this cause it's not as if decent parts are the cheapest things around.

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prob because they ARE designed for kids 16 and under as well as 16 and older
Im not saying that they couldnt still buy them, it would kind of be like the way that Dans sells brakeless complete bikes, but explicitly says that they do not support brakeless riding. Idk, it was just a thought

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Dear BMX companies:
Please send me your unsold frames and parts on Feb 10th free of charge. Thanks.


Mostly I'm just excited for bike parts to only come in black again.
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if lead poisoning is the concern, why not just keep frames raw? people these days are all doing custom paintjobs at home anyways.

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if lead poisoning is the concern, why not just keep frames raw? people these days are all doing custom paintjobs at home anyways.
or have then built in taiwan, and get them painted in america?

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Im not saying that they couldnt still buy them, it would kind of be like the way that Dans sells brakeless complete bikes, but explicitly says that they do not support brakeless riding. Idk, it was just a thought
ya I hear what you mean
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um, i dont plan on eating or licking my bike so why would they need to be tested for lead poisoning.

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LOL @ the idea of Obama being a bad president because he is doing something to protect little kids from getting lead poisoning.
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lol ya what a dick

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umm... is it to late to take back my vote?

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or have then built in taiwan, and get them painted in america?
yeah exactly. the specifics of this law might be more complicated than it seems, but if it isn't the solution is as simple as that.

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looks like it is time for me to make a good friend in europe so i can get them to buy me frames and send them to me...
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people pay for the testing > money goes to the government > government fixes economy > less led poisoning

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I heard about all this months ago. I've been curious what the effects actually will be.
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i think we should go back to not giving a fuck. there are some people who give fucks. they should be eliminated. i know of at least one person on this board who doesnt give a fuck. i think the government should follow, and be a little more shy on giving out their fucks. i live a much better life not giving my fucks. i bet that lead doesnt give a fuck. those taiwanese people im sure dont give a fuck, theyre working in a goddamn sweatshop for a dollar an hour.
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