S&M Cam Wood with brakes

UPDATE #2 :S&M apologized. They admitted something is wrong with their frames. Neal Wood, the product manager of S&M, said that the new batch of frames is going to be modified like this :





You can see that the brake mounts are going to be moved up from 8.6" to 9.3" (measured from the dropout). The image shows a current Cam Wood frame with a slammed rear wheel, 2.10” FAF tire, and Revenge brakes. So it should work.

I would like to thank S&M for looking into this issue, and coming up with a satisfying solution!

UPDATE : according to S&M, it should work with Revenge Industries brakes. I will try it, and let you know if it works!
Thanks everyone for your input.

hey,

i'm new to The Come Up Board and i'm reaching out for your help. I recently got an S&M Cam Wood frame and I seem not to be able to put brakes on it. Here's the proof in pics. You can see Odyssey Evo 2 brakes, as well as DiaTech 996 Fiesta (tried both, none fits). The tire's an Odyssey Path 2.10.


close-up with the Evo brakes

same, slightly different angle

zoomed out, you can get see the wheel's position in the dropout

close-up with the DiaTech brakes

same

zoomed out

close-up with the DiaTech brakes and wheel at the far end of the dropout (see next pic)

I don't think I could ride like that... and the brakes wouldn't fit anyway

maybe this can help (centimeters ftw! :P)

I sent this first batch of pictures over to S&M who agreed to exchange my frame. A couple of days later, I meet with the distributor of S&M in my country, and we realize that both frames are exactly the same! So I make some more pictures and send them again to S&M. This time, they say the tire's too big (Odyssey Path 2.10) and that I should contact Odyssey because the brakes might be faulty. The argument about the tire isn't valid, because the real problem is the brake pad not touching the rim! And the argument about the brake is also bogus, because I tried them on a friend's Fit Dak frame, and they... uhm... fit! haha... So, anyways, here is the second batch of pictures :









As you can see, the distance from the center of the brake mount to the center of the rear axle is approx 22cm (8.66"), the wheel diameter from the center of the rear axle to the middle of the rim is about 19.5cm (7.67"). The brakes are between 3 and 4.5cm (1.18-1.77") depending where you put the brake pad (the measurements seem a bit odd on the pics because of the perspective, sorry). Does this seem right to you?

On my previous frame ('07 Standard 250L OX, 21" TT) the distance rear axle/brake mount is 23.5cm (9.25").
The rear end of the Standard is 13.75" vs. 13.65" on the Cam Wood frame (see http://www.vitalbmx.com/product/guid...ndard/250L,546).

In my 15 years of riding, I never had such a problem. What do you suggest? Thanks for your help!!

my mind=blown

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thats way too much at the end of the day lol

but damn, he did his homework.

This is obviously the welder's fault. Send them the second batch of pictures with the measuring tape. that way you can totally prove that you are being jewed out of an otherwise perfectly good frame. They really should replace it.

pretty much what i was going to write

WOW
s&m is fucking up hard, first the paper thin frames crumpling and then this. hopefully this is just an isolated incident, and yeah you definitely deserve a fresh frame+appology.

damn my friend just ordered this frame yesterday and he rides brakes. he is gunna be so pissed if this happens. is it only your frame? maybe other people with it can chime in.

is his wheel slammed? it didnt look it, but could you have it pulled out further?

I did send all the pics, and that's when they told me I should try a smaller tire and ask Odyssey if their brakes are faulty. I tried the brakes on a friend's frame (FIT Dak) and they work perfectly...

I don't know if anybody else had this problem. Could you keep me updated about your friend's frame?? Thanks!

yup. On the last 2 of the first batch of pictures, you can see the result with the wheel (dangerously) pulled out to the max : it barely works. About half of the brake pad touches the rim.

yea he should be getting it in the mail next week.

Seems the location of the brake lugs is out of place, thats the only thing I can think of thats wrong. Props on all the information and photo's.

that sucks

Logan that works at Ray's had the same problem with his. He had is pads all the way up in the brake arms, with very little rim contact area. Last time I saw him, he was riding with his brakes off.

so I'm not the only one. Kinda reassuring... now if only S&M would investigate this further :-S

dat nigga needs to ride wilson without pedaling and shit.

my friend dwayne has this frame and is running into the same issue. the wheel is pulled out and the pads are slammed and he has like 1cm of pad touching with fly brakes. i thought it would be an isolated incident as well but now im seeing that s&m are fucking up the mount position. what brakes does cam wood
run ( when he does run brakes)


EDIT: maybe a taller sidewall rim with rectify some of this. alex triple walls ftw

Last night, I tried it again, without a tire, and with 2 different brakes. Here's the result : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Q9N346TZM

i dont really understand why not having a tire will affect this issue you are having.
It clearly is the fact that S&M screwed up and positioned the brake mounts too far back on the rear end.

I agree.

bitch bitch bitch

just change the tire.

maybe you should have posted this in the chris moeller q&a thread, so he could give his statement about the problem...
(your bike looks sick btw)

The tire isn't the problem. The brake mounts are too far back to get the wheel far enough in the dropouts and get the brake pads to hit the rim.

yep

didn't he say they tried two different frames, and contact odyssey for the problem?

The problem is def not from odyssey, only from s&m

the fact that 2 frames are identical doesn't really imply that there isn't a problem with the geometry. I guess the welders usually do a whole bunch of frames with the same template (or mold or whatever you call it), so maybe there is a set of frames with a wrong geometry and all the other frames are fine. I don't know...

If I contact Odyssey, I would have to contact DiaTech too, because none of my u-brakes fit.

UPDATE : according to S&M, it should work with Revenge Industries brakes. I will try it, and let you know if it works!
Thanks everyone for your input.

Man, what a bummer.

The solution to this problem shouldn't be a set of $75 brakes.